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Nuclear power - dead end or in with a chance?

The public debate and the government consultations in 2006 and 2007 on nuclear power were framed in the context of a replacement programme for existing reactors scheduled to close. On this basis it has been suggested that there was if not a clear consensus then at least a majority in favour.

However, subsequently the government began to talk about going beyond replacement. For example, in May 2008 Prime Minister Gordon Brown commented “I think we are pretty clear that we will have to do more than simply replace existing nuclear capability in Britain” while Secretary of State John Hutton said, that, although it was up to the private sector developers, he would be “very disappointed” if the proportion of electricity generated by nuclear did not rise “significantly above the current level”. In August 2009 Malcolm Wicks MP, the PM’s Special Representative on International Energy, produced a report calling for a UK nuclear contribution of 35–40% “beyond 2030”.

The government has also indicated that it saw a major role for exporting UK nuclear technology and expertise. Gordon Brown has indicated that he believes the world needs 1,000 extra nuclear power stations and has argued that Africa could build nuclear power plants to meet growing demands for energy. In 2009 a new UK Centre for supporting the export of nuclear technology was set up with a budget of up to £20 m.

You do not have to be anti-nuclear to feel some sense of unease over the global expansion programmes being discussed, not least since they could lead much greater long-term risks for global security in terms of the proliferation of nuclear weapons making capacity and the potential for nuclear terrorism. There are other geopolitical issue as well. For example, uranium is a finite resource and, if a major global expansion programme emerges, based on existing burner technology, then there must inevitably come a time when there will be conflicts over diminishing high-grade reserves. That is one reason why interest has been rekindled in fast breeder reactors, which can use the otherwise wasted parts of the uranium resource, and also in the use of thorium, which is more abundant than uranium. But those options are some way off. For the moment, the programmes around the world are mostly all based on upgraded versions of the standard Pressurised Water Reactor, with passive safety features to reduce the risk of major accidents, plus in some case, higher fuel burn up, so as to improve their economics – though that wlll result in higher activity wastes, which could present safety and waste management problems.

There are also other operational issues. In the UK the various contenders – EDF, E.ON etc – have “reserved” a total of 23.6 GW of grid links for new nuclear capacity with National Grid. That’s about the same as the wind power capacity we are aiming to have by 2020, albeit with lower load factors. But as EDF have pointed out, there are operational and economic reasons why a major expansion of nuclear would be incompatible with a major expansion of renewable electricity generation – at periods of low demand you would not need both. So which would give way?

In addition, the renewables and nuclear will inevitably also be in direct conflict for funding. A major nuclear programme could divert money, expertise and other resources away from renewable energy and energy efficiency, which arguably are the only long term sustainable energy options.

It used to be argued that renewables were interesting but marginal. Now however, they have moved into the mainstream – with, for example, more than 120 GW of wind generation capacity in place around the world. And they are expanding. Last year solar PV generation capacity grew by 70% around the world, wind power by 29% and solar hot water increased by 15%. By 2008, renewables represented more than 50% of total added generation capacity in both the United States and Europe, i.e. more new renewables capacity was installed than new capacity for gas, coal, oil and nuclear combined. Interestingly, by 2008 China had installed as much wind capacity as it had nuclear capacity (8.9 GW) and there are plans for continued rapid expansion of wind, to 100 GW and beyond. However, there are also plans for nuclear expansion.

It is sometimes argued that you can and should have both nuclear and renewables – to ensure diversity. But, quite apart from the conflicts mentioned above, nuclear is not only one of the most expensive options, it is only just one option. By contrast, there are dozens of renewable energy technologies of various sorts, using a range of sources. It is true that they are at varying stages of development, but given proper funding, they seem likely to offer a more diverse set of options.

What’s the best bet for the future? An energy source with limited resource availability and major waste and security implications? Or a range of new technologies based on natural energy flows, with no emissions, no wastes, no fuel resource limits, no fuel price rises, and no security implications, unless that is we start squabbling over the wind and solar resource around the planet.

I used some of the arguments above in a recent resignation letter to the Labour Party, as reported to the Guardian.

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  • 1 Kirk Sorensen September 12, 2009 5:19 PM

    "Or a range of new technologies based on natural energy flows, with no emissions, no wastes, no fuel resource limits, no fuel price rises, and no security implications, unless that is we start squabbling over the wind and solar resource around the planet."

    I'm sorry, but you must be talking about some other kind of renewable energies than the ones we have now. They most definitely have limits--severe ones in fact--and are gobbling up rare resources in their construction. Good wind sites are limited and even the best can only generate power roughly 1/3rd of the time. The generators in windmills disproportionately consume neodymium to keep their permanent magnets light, and neodymium is a rare resource in increasingly short supply. Polycrystalline silicon used for PV arrays is very expensive and generates toxic waste (SiCl4) during its synthesis that cheap manufacturers dump on unsuspecting local residents, poisoning their fields and killing their children. The quest for cheaper PV arrays will provide every economic incentive to make this practice even more widespread and dangerous, especially in the Third World, with their lax environmental standards.

    To insist that renewables are the right energy strategy for the future condemns future generations to far less, and far more unreliable energy sources. This will condemn them to poverty and suffering that is unnecessary. Thorium powered nuclear reactors can lift ALL the world's living standards to first-world levels and prevent billions of deaths and uncounted levels of human suffering. The technology exists and was demonstrated at Oak Ridge National Lab in the 1950s and 60s. We just need the will to implement it.

  • 2 David Walters September 12, 2009 6:48 PM

    It is interesting you left out how *much* China is expanding it's nuclear energy capacity: 120GWs and "beyond". In fact, China is the worlds leader in low-carbon emissions nuclear energy.

    Secondly, the 100GWs of wind is...mostly stranded, that is, non-grid integrated. The 100GWs 'capacity' equals about 22 GWs of actual power. Unlike wind, for ever GW of nuclear, this translated into ZERO GWs of coal use.

  • 3 John Busby September 12, 2009 7:57 PM

    The nuclear "renaissance" is not surviving its birth pangs. The prototype Evolutionary Pressure-water Reactor (EPR) under construction in Finland has proved to be a financial disaster for the constructors, Areva, and for the client, TVO. Areva has to absorb 50% overspend and is being sued by TVO for loss of revenue. A dispute over money caused work on the wiring and piping to be suspended, adding even more to the three years' delay. Worse, both the UK GDA and the Finnish STUK inspectors have rejected the design philosophy of the controls on safety grounds. Areva is in consequence having to sell its distribution wing to raise capital. If the two EPRs sold to China are equally underpriced Areva will have to be rescued by its 90% owner the French state.

    Meanwhile EdF is equally short of funds having taken over BE's ageing reactors and is to sell its UK distribution subsidiary. No wonder it has reiterated its demand for guaranteed carbon credits for the 60 year life of its projects. Equally without state intervention in both the UK and in France, where EdF has to extend or replace half of its NPPs in the next ten years before they come up to their 40 years' life's end.

    Cynicism rules the nuclear debate

  • 4 Kirk Sorensen September 12, 2009 8:02 PM

    Judging the "nuclear renaissance" based on the experience in Finland is inaccurate. I'm not even talking about light-water reactor technology.

    If we want to power the world safely and economically, thorium is the only realistic choice for energy, and the liquid-fluoride thorium reactor is the best way to use thorium.

    For what it's worth, in the vein of Dr. Elliott's comments at the end of his post about "natural energy flows", thorium has been powering this planet successfully for the last five billion years or so. The decay of thorium (and uranium) inside the Earth have produced the heat that powers plate tectonics, crustal subduction, volcanism, and carbon recycling on a planetary scale. All forms of life are around today precisely because of the power of thorium.

  • 5 John Busby September 13, 2009 10:08 AM

    From WNA Information Sheet 62:- "India has made utilisation of thorium for large-scale energy production a major goal in its nuclear power programme, utilising a three-stage concept:

    Pressurised heavy water reactors (PHWRs) fuelled by natural uranium, plus light water reactors, producing plutonium.
    Fast breeder reactors (FBRs) using plutonium-based fuel to breed U-233 from thorium. The blanket around the core will have uranium as well as thorium, so that further plutonium (particularly Pu-239) is produced as well as the U-233.
    Advanced heavy water reactors burn the U-233 and this plutonium with thorium, getting about 75% of their power from the thorium."

    If a single stage concept in Finland can be in such trouble, what are the chances of an economically viable 3-stage process based on thorium getting into production? In any case it needs uranium and plutonium to work!

    Is this really a practical solution for an energy crisis after peak oil, gas and coal?

  • 6 David Walters September 13, 2009 5:50 PM

    John, you need to really look what's out there. If you are going to use the very valuable WNA documents, then you need to really look through all of the major ones.

    10 years ago there were about 4 nuclear plants under construction, in S. Korea and Japan. Today there are over 40. Hundreds of millions of private investment dollars are going into doubling and tripling nuclear component manufacturing.

    The "Nuclear Renaissance" is not oxymoronic marketing hype (like "Clean Coal"). It's a 'conclusion' based on exactly what is going on out there.

    Yes, the Finnish EPR is coming in way over budget and behind schedule. First of a kind plants do this. Second versions, slightly less so, as the French Flamesville plant is showing. *We learn*.

    The Chinese have broken ground on the most "popular" of the new Gen III reactors: the AP1000 from Japan's Westinghouse Nuclear Corp. Like the Japanese, the Chinese *expect* to bring these plants in *under budget and ahead of schedule*. And they want to build at least 100 of them.

    The reason you are here discussing this is the direct result of what is aptly called the "Nuclear Renaissance".

    But wait, there's more! If you actually go to Kirk's blog and forum and document library, Gen IV reactors are also going through their own mini-Renaissance of sorts. The LFTR is a *proposal* for probably what is the ultimate fission plant: a totally scalable, waste-eating, fuel abundant power plant that could cost less than 1/3 of a LWR and run 1000 times as safe. Worth looking into .

    David

  • 7 Dave Elliott September 13, 2009 7:35 PM

    I seem to have generated an interesting debate!

    Can I input some observations?

    Although the load factors are much higher than for renewables like wind (about 30% typically), nuclear is not zero carbon. Although all technologies require energy for construction, unlike wind etc, nuclear needs energy to mine and process its fuel and deal with its wastes and for the moment most of that comes from fossil fuelled plants. Sovacool, after an exhaustive comparison of conflicting data, has put the total life cycle GHG emissions from nuclear at about 66 gCO2e/kWh, higher than all the renewable alternatives, including solar PV. See Energy Policy 36 (2008) pp2940-2953.

    Will complex molten salt thorium (LFTR) or fission-fusion systems be better?

    On thorium's role in planetary processes, well I always thought goethermal energy was the best form of nuclear fission power! But then solar and wind look like the best use of solar fusion power... and though I do accept that there may be problems with some materials needed for these technologies, that is true of most technologies, I would imagine LFTRs etc included

  • 8 Anonymous September 14, 2009 5:26 AM

    Hi Dave, we seem to be cross writing off list to ourselves a bit.

    So I'll write a little of the same I wrote to you off list. First, everyone should get a hold of that study...it's not a 'study' of CO2 it's a "study of studies" of CO2/GHG emissions for nuclear. The number of "66 g" is an aggregate of the different studies after Sovacool eliminated the highest and lowest study conclusions.

    Secondly, as an average, it's not a 'technical' number in the sense that all these nuclear reactors put out such and such amount. The actual reports are there to refer to but I take issue with some of the methods they use to come to that number, which, in any event, is about 1/10th that of Natural Gas.

    But what the report does not do is to seriously look at the CO2 out put of all nuclear grids, of which the French are hte most obvious since at every step except the first two (mining and yellow cake production) are done totally CO2 free. France has a nuclear grid so all the areas that could produce CO2 except for those first two are not CO2 generators. IF the dynamics of any grid show an increase in nuclear, such CO2 drops and thus the numbers are downwardly dynamic, including for mining and yellow cake production.

    Secondly, their wind numbers for CO2 look much lower and are not calculated based on the same vigorous aggregation as the nuclear one is. For example, land based wind uses about 4 to 8 times the material per MW than nuclear does in construction.

    Thirdly, not calculated into any of these studies is nuclear's role in *displacing* CO2 production from coal, if added, on a MW per MW basis, it would way outdistance solar and wind contribution to a carbon free world.

    Lastly, nuclear's low carbon out put is really quite similar to solar or winds in that the GHG emissions are statistically irrelevant.

    I'll let Kirk respond on LFTR's overall low footprint on everything!
    David

  • 9 John Busby September 14, 2009 9:32 AM

    Let me assure David Walters that I read all WNA information sheets and the papers at the annual WNA symposium once they are published free. Links to my articles on energy matters can be found on http://www.after-oil.co.uk/articles.htm while those to do with nuclear are marked with an *.

    In terms of fast reactors, there is only one under construction in Russia and that is a "burner", which would assist in waste reduction. A "breeder", if there was one, would produce the undesirables with the plutonium needed to fuel a following "breeder".

    There were no breeders described in the Gen IV Roadmap and only two fast reactors have been selected for further work, the VHTR for hydrogen production and the SFR as a "burner".

    India's reactors are working at half capacity because of a shortage of uranium from indigenous mines, ameliorated by a derogation of the proliferation treaty with supplies of uranium from Russia and the US. Hence the interest in thorium and the three-stage process described by the WNA paper 62.

    As for the EPR, it is not "European" as sometimes called. It is "evolutionary" in that it is supposed to be simply a developed version of the KONVOI and N4. The problems are simply not just "teething", but much more basic, such as quality control and the incorporation of new materials to avoid stress corrosion cracking which has caused the replacement of around 200 major component replacements in PWRs and BWRs around the world. The rejection of the control system by both GDA and STUK is a fundamental flaw in the EPR "evolution".

    EdF has stated all along that it would need government subsidies for new build in the UK, in the form of guaranteed carbon credits for the 60 year life claimed for its projects. In 60 years time there will be few carbon burners to levy to provide the credits, so EdF needs direct capital subsidies to reduce the initial investment. If the UK needs new nuclear build, it will have to change its position on 'no subsidy for nuclear'.

    As fossil fuels decline carbon emissions will also decline and there is no need for Kyoto and Copenhagen. There will not be the diesel to dig the huge quantities of rock needed to extract uranium from ever lowering grades of ore deposits.

    David Elliot is right to ditch his Labour Party membership -we are fed a load of rubbish in an attempt to divert attention from peak oil.

  • 10 David Walters September 14, 2009 4:57 PM

    John, EdF also noted it doesn't need subsidies at all. I suppose it depends on what newsconference one attends. Britain has pointed out there will be no subsidies. Of course you can argue that carbon credits are subsidies if they go to your favorite energy tech. Certainly there would be no wind or solar with the rediculously high mandated feedin tariffs. To think there will be no carbon credits in Britain because "unsubsidized" win and solar will displace coal AND natural gas is, absurd and will not happen.

    You have a misunderstanding of what a 'breeder is'. All LWRs and Gen IV reactors breed to a limited extent. You may be afraid of plutonium, but in a British reactor, on British soil, I'm not sure what the problem is exactly? The British WMD depts have dedicated plutonium reactors, they don't need any new reactors for this at all. At any rate...breeding. The MSR is a breeder, and if it's a two fluid design, breeds slightly more than 1 for a slight net gain in fuel. Breeding doesn't have be either a fast reactor or produce prodigious amounts of either U233 (LFTR) or plutonium (other MSRs and IFRs, etc).

    The idea is to add *no uranium* and only about 7lbs a day of raw milled thorium to get a GW year. Breeding because it breeds it's own fuel.

  • 11 John Busby September 15, 2009 12:18 AM

    According to successive White Papers, the economics of nuclear power relies on carbon credits based on an assumption that its life cycle will be long enought to balance out the initial massive emisssions from reactor construction and mining. That for the EPR is claimed as 60 years. (As an aside the actual life cycle is more like 15 to 20 years, which is when items like reactor vessel heads and steam generators have had to be replaced due to corrosion.)

    The rise in price to cater for the sort of problems encountered in Finland means that the level of carbon credits is crucial. M de Rivaz has asked parliamentary committees for guaranteed carbon credits for the life of EdF's projects. If the market price of carbon has to be topped up to match EdF's demands, is that not a subsidy? It would also have to be topped up for the 60 years to make any sense and with the passing of peak oil, gas and coal, what fossil fuel burners will be left to pay the levies in 60 years time?

    I know that Pu is produced in the PWR spent fuel. It has to be separated out by reprocessing for further use as MOX or fast reactor fuel. In a breeder after 15 to 20 years the equivalent of the original charge of Pu (which is consumed) arises in the "blanket" of depleted uranium. This is the "perpetual motion" claimed by the nuclear alchemists, but the undesirables also arise, so the processing has to separate out these as well as the Pu for the next round. If a fast reactor is constituted as a "burner" to reduce the waste problem as on the other hand it is claimed to perform, then there will be little or no Pu to charge another fast reactor.

    In any case there is insufficient processing in the world with none in the US, some in France, Russia and Japan with the UK's Sellafield most likely to be closed. So without universal processing the thousands of years claimed is a myth. As uranium supplies run down, there will be (just as in India) a "browning out" of the lights, particularly in France where there is an over-dependence on nuclear.

  • 12 no name September 18, 2009 12:50 PM

    EVERYBODY ON THIS PLANET NEEDS TO READ NUCLEAR FOLLIES FROM FORBES!!!!

  • 13 Bill Hewitt September 19, 2009 5:56 PM

    Great piece, Dave. Gordon Brown, among many others, including policymakers in the Obama Administration and in Congress, need to get the message on nuclear power. It can't compete with renewables. See my post on your piece at my blog on climate change for the Foreign Policy Association.

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